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BOULDER, Colo. –

Robert and Katie Oakley tried unsuccessfully for months to mend their marriage before divorcing last March, a friend of the former couple said Friday.

“They got married young, and they made a decision she was going to be the full bread winner,” said Marina Macho, 30, of Longmont, who first befriended Katie Oakley in 2002. “He decided to be a stay-at-home dad. It was difficult for them, to say the least.”

On Wednesday, one year after the divorce was finalized, police found the former couple’s bodies inside the north Boulder home they’d purchased together and shared for years. Their sons, ages 3 and 6, are in the care of family.

Robert Oakley died from a shotgun wound to the head and Katie Oakley died from a gunshot wound to the head, Boulder County Coroner Tom Faure said Thursday, but he hasn’t determined who killed whom. Police declined to release any details about their investigation Friday.

Macho said she and other friends are anxious to find out what happened, and are struggling to comprehend how a couple that once seemed full of promise ended up dead.

“It’s baffling to me,” she said. “Why did she go there by herself? Rob is not the type of person who would leave a loaded gun lying around the house.”

Macho said she recalls Katie Oakley calling early one morning, upset that her then-husband had “grabbed her in front of the kids.” Otherwise, she said, there was never any indication of physical abuse in the relationship.

In fact, Macho said, the couple once had a seemingly idyllic life.

Full of promise

Katie Oakley grew up in Fort Collins, Macho said, and attended a private high school in Steamboat Springs.

“She had a really strong group of friends in Fort Collins,” who kept in touch online and at annual New Year’s Eve parties, Macho said.

After graduation, Katie Oakley went on to earn a degree in English from the University of Colorado in 2001. She graduated summa cum laude and married Robert Oakley the same year. Together, the couple left for North Carolina, where she attended law school at Duke University before moving back to Boulder in 2004.

Their sons were born in 2003 and 2006.

“She was incredibly intelligent,” Macho said of Katie Oakley. “She loved the boys and being a mother.”

Macho said her friend enjoyed running, skiing and was an accomplished horse rider.

The couple bought a house at 3100 23rd St. as Katie Oakley took a job in corporate finance and acquisition at Denver’s Davis Graham & Stubbs.

Dawn McKnight, assistant executive director of the Colorado Bar Association, said the young attorney caught the attention of more seasoned lawyers, who appointed her to the Business Law Institute, where she helped teach business-law issues.

“As a young lawyer, being a faculty for an institute of that type is very impressive,” McKnight said. “Her work was very well-respected by her peers.”

Katie Oakley resigned from the firm March 20.

“A really big heart”

Meanwhile, Robert Oakley was working as a taxi driver in Boulder, and tried to find work as a teacher.

“He was one of the kindest spirits you’d ever met in your whole life,” said Nicole Sage, 36, of Trenton, New Jersey.

Sage grew up with Robert Oakley in Atlanta, where they attended Druid Hills High School together.

She said a group of close friends from the high school gathered at an Atlanta bar Thursday night to share stories of their friend. A candlelight vigil is planned for next week at the Lake Shore Park in Atlanta, one of Robert Oakley’s childhood hangouts.

“It just totally kills me this is the way he left us,” Sage said. “All I want is for people to know this was a wonderful soul.”

Also Thursday, about a dozen of Robert Oakley’s fellow cab drivers gathered in the Boulder home of a Yellow Cab manager to share stories and memories.

“They were very upset about this,” said Jo Ann Vann, who manages Boulder’s Yellow Cab drivers. “It’s just so tragic.”

Robert Oakley began driving a Yellow Cab in August 2005, and Vann said he chose the profession for the freedom it allowed.

“That was really important to him,” Vann said, adding that it was a top priority to be able to pick up his sons at daycare and school. “The No. 1 most important thing to Rob were those two boys.”

An online forum for off-road motorcycle riders contains videos and pictures of the father teaching the children how to ride bicycles and dirt bikes.

Vann said Robert Oakley didn’t share much about his relationship with his wife, but Vann said she knew they were having a difficult time and going through a “tough” divorce.

“Everyone is human,” she said. “But Rob had a really big heart.”

The drivers vowed to dedicate a portion of their nightly revenue to an Oakley Children Fund and hold an auction to raise more money for the couple’s young kids.

“All I know is there’s some darling little boys without any parents,” Vann said. “Those children are gonna be devastated once they put it all together.”

Robert Oakley was also a substitute teacher for the Boulder Valley School District from October 1999 until his certificate expired Monday, said Boulder Valley spokesman Briggs Gamblin.

He had not substituted since May 2006, Gamblin said.

Oakley applied last year for language-arts teaching positions at Fairview and Boulder high schools, but Gamblin said he didn’t get either job. He also applied unsuccessfully to teach for last year’s Boulder Valley summer school, Gamblin said, but he didn’t get that job either.

Columbine Elementary Principal Lynn Widger sent a letter home to parents Thursday about one of the Oakleys’ sons, who attend the elementary school.

The letter said both of the children are staying with their grandparents.

Archived comments

I would hardly say that 3100 23rd Street is “upscale.” This is one of the lowest economic neighborhoods in Boulder.

LevelHead

4/3/2009 4:04:35 PM

Just goes to show you what a bubble we live in. That is an expensive home by the rest of the country’s standards. Expand your perspective to the people who make 30k a year-which is a good deal of the US.

laughinghard

4/3/2009 4:11:52 PM

Why does the Denver Post have much more complete coverage of Boulder stories, including this one and Churchill.

Says to me, “Why waste your time on the DC.”

There was more info and photos yesterday.

Hope some reader took a “guns are dangerous and one should not have one” thought away with them after reading this story.”

These people would still be alive if they had no guns.

onoma

4/3/2009 4:16:36 PM

It’s worth 450k according to zillow. That’s a lot of money for the rest of the world!

laughinghard

4/3/2009 4:18:39 PM

“Expand your perspective to the people who make 30k a year”

Or expand it even further the billion or so people who live on LESS than $2 per day.

Dr_Karma

4/3/2009 4:25:52 PM

onoma querried: “Why does the Denver Post have much more complete coverage of Boulder stories, including this one and Churchill.

Says to me, “Why waste your time on the DC.”

It won’t be around much longer as a locally produced product now that the Post has purchased the Camera. They’ll soon realize they can cut+paste+create it entirely from the Denver offices, at less cost, and get the same or better coverage of news.

They’ll also soon realize that the Internet edition of the paper can be just as easily managed by a handful of IT techs in Bangalore India, at much less $ than 1 US employee, and likely with greater attention to the English language.

Dr_Karma

4/3/2009 4:31:31 PM

Bobosan. Have you thought of teaching callous d-bag lessons? You’re a pro….jerk.

meatpieandtatters

4/3/2009 4:40:13 PM

“These people would still be alive if they had no guns.”

Right, never heard of anyone committing murder OR suicide by any other means than a gun. Perhaps after we get rid of guns we can ban knives, glass, razors, mirrors, metal, arrows, sticks, bats, poles, signs, axes, rocks, hammers, ropes, shoelaces, metal coat hangers, hands, feet, shoes, automobiles, belts, lamps, any device which emits carbon monoxide, cliffs, toasters, hairdryers, electricity, ledges over 4 feet, skyscrapers, screwdrivers, pills, water… Without a gun a person bent on wreaking havoc will find the means. Perhaps we should just ban mental illness and depression.

DevilInside

4/3/2009 5:43:04 PM

Hey Devillinside, I don’t know if you know or not, but I have heard from a very reliable source that ONOMA is the epitome of sane normality. She told me so herself. so I guess we had better just defer to her telling the rest of us what is right. OH and BTW, her insight on diversity of both persons, and thought, are the new diversity of thought benchmark for all of Boulder. You see my friend, she has never fired a gun, according to her statement to me, and that is what makes her not just sane and normal, but an expert on all of these subjects. Well I don’t know about sane and normal, but I will admit, she is typical!

biker_joe

4/3/2009 6:12:35 PM

Bobosan..are you for real? You sound like a pompous snob.

DevilInside..your comment was clever. However, onama has a point. If these people had no access to guns, they may still be here today. You’re right that murder can be done in a gazillion different ways, but guns sure do make it easy.

rainwater79

4/3/2009 6:20:05 PM

DevilInside –

You forgot pencils.

I once saw a guy in clown face make a pencil disappear. Killed a man on the spot.

But, sorry to get so serious.

orbison

4/3/2009 6:22:53 PM

A couple of years ago, Boulder resident Michael Strauss was able to easily murder his wife in a domestic dispute with a kitchen knife.

snarlpup

4/3/2009 6:30:13 PM

Gotta go with Bobosan on this one – Definitely not an “upscale” residence.Not a shack, but closer to a shack than upscale.Maybe the writer/paper thought the story would be sexier by not stating middle class (or perhaps even lower).

RedWhiteAndBush

4/3/2009 6:52:49 PM

Hey MeatPieandTatters- Bobsan is correcting an incorrect impression that this article delivers. This neighborhood is, yes at $450K, the most affordable part of Boulder. A 1500 square foot ranch is not “upscale” even if this would buy you a mansion in Omaha. This is not the “upscale” Ramseys- this is a terrible tragedy in this middle class neighborhood.

altapwdr

4/3/2009 7:05:09 PM

So sad and those poor kids.They don’t have parents anymore.I wonder who the aggresser was in the situation?Was it someone threating the other and then defending themselves, or a double suicide?

The story makes it sound like the woman was the aggressor.Perhaps, she felt trapped – like she had to keep a job to pay for two households, with court orders in place, and what she wanted to do was spend time with her kids and not pay for someone who can stand on their own…..

I understand that marriages where the man is the stay at home have a even worse sucess rate.Or the diovrce rate is 80% or something like that.

Regardless, terrible situation for the kids and family left behind.

MicMacGirl

4/3/2009 7:57:45 PM

Expensive is different than upscale. The homes in this neighborhood could even cost millions, but they are far from upscale.

LevelHead

4/3/2009 9:09:11 PM

Gee, MicMacGirl, I wonder if you would have come to the same conclusion had the situation tilted toward the male killing because he had to pay alimony and child support?

Child support is one thing, but alimony sucks, and should be abolished in all but the most severe situations, like where the lower earning spouse is completely unable to work, and even then it should be limited.The idea that someone should have to pay a former spouse so that they can “maintain a standard of living” for themselves is completely screwed up in this day and age.Hopefully someday the legislature in this state will get a clue as they have a a few other states.The more women who have to pay this kind of “spousal support”, the more likely the legislature will finally do something.

moabite

4/3/2009 9:09:42 PM

MicMacGirl…you have the only post that shows any thought or compassion towards the children that were involved..the rest of you discussing the home value..screw you! ( they wont publish what I meant)Dont prove everyone right about the selfish pricks that live in Boulder

he_b_gb@yahoo.com

4/3/2009 9:36:47 PM

L O S E R. Only cowardly losers take the easy way out and only a lowdown scumbag takes the mother of his children away forever.

He’s drivin’ a cab in hell now.

zedlepplin

4/3/2009 10:10:31 PM

She resigned on March 20th; his teaching certificate expired last Monday.Either one of them could have felt they had reached an end point.

I’m wondering, if the only contact they normally had was to hand off the children, it seems some planning had to be done to make sure the boys were not there that day.This might not have been spur-of-the-moment for at least one party involved.Was there a life insurance policy?

ThatCertainWoman

4/3/2009 10:11:45 PM

I heard that due to finical difficulties the guy had decided they had to move to Longmont.

I think the woman blew his face off with the shotgun as a stopping point.

sidd

4/3/2009 9:53:33 PM

Bobosan – Why don’t you call the two boys personally to tell them your opinion of their social class?Clearly it’s very important to you to make sure everyone knows what social strata you think they belong to.

ThatCertainWoman

4/3/2009 10:14:13 PM

Totally guessing, but I wonder if she wasn’t getting ready to leave the area, take the kids, and he spazed.Would be a typical scenario for an abusive situation; the wife leaving always intensifies the “control” thing.I thought it made it sound like the woman was the aggressor, but I think a shotgun isn’t really the style of a woman lawyer.

tfitzjake@charter.net

4/3/2009 10:20:43 PM

tfitzjake – A man doesn’t need to be an abuser to be devastated when his ex says she’s leaving the state and taking the kids.Not saying that’s what happened here, or that I have any idea about any alleged abuse.But after a contentious divorce, I imagine most parents would be shattered if the ex-spouse planned to move the kids far away.

ThatCertainWoman

4/3/2009 10:47:56 PM

Posted by sidd on April 3, 2009 at 9:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I heard that due to finical difficulties the guy had decided they had to move to Longmont.

I think the woman blew his face off with the shotgun as a stopping point.

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I’m pretty thick skinned when it comes to comments on here, but if you dish it out, be prepared to take it. This is a horrible callous thing to say. You’re a total jerk. I’d love to know what part of town you live in and how much you make. I can pretty much guarantee it isn’t anywhere near as nice as the neighborhood I live in and I’d love to make fun of you on a constant basis for your stupidity and inability to make as much money as me.

The reality is that if people like you weren’t running down Longmont Lyons and Lousiville families like this might feel like they weren’t moving someplace horrible. They might buy the house they could afford, the woman might have been able to work and support her family and they might have been happy instead of shooting each other and leaving two wee kids alone forever.

But I suppose you’d rather see a bunch of people dead than moving to Longmont, is that it?

Your comments smack of desperation. Were you one of those kids that ran around his high school smacking the disabled kids in the head and laughing in their face? Did you also spit on the kids that didn’t have the right tennis shoes? Did you follow kids home to see what neighborhood they lived in before deciding whether they should be your friend or not?

Because all your comments about Longmont indicate that this is exactly the kind of person you are.

I hope you die broke and alone and I get to make fun of your circumstances.

laughinghard

4/3/2009 11:10:20 PM

Posted by biker_joe on April 3, 2009 at 6:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Devillinside, I don’t know if you know or not, but I have heard from a very reliable source that ONOMA is the epitome of sane normality. She told me so herself. so I guess we had better just defer to her telling the rest of us what is right.”

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I see your wife has you well trained, but who the F are you?A low class bum obviously, who owns guns.Tell us your real name, so when you are dead, we’ll know you.

onoma

4/3/2009 11:20:26 PM

Posted by DevilInside on April 3, 2009 at 5:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

“These people would still be alive if they had no guns.”

Right, never heard of anyone committing murder OR suicide by any other means than a gun. Perhaps after we get rid of guns we can ban knives, glass, razors, mirrors, metal, arrows, sticks, bats, poles, signs, axes, rocks, hammers, ropes,

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Nevermind JOESHMOE, I see your response to the other JOESHMOE.Why the F I don’t know either of you creeps, thank god.I like life.

onoma

4/3/2009 11:31:16 PM

It does not matter how expensive their home was or where it was in Boulder. It does not matter that they used guns and if guns were banned they would still be alive. If who killed whom reallywanted to die and take the other one with him/her then that person would have found another way to do it, like a knife or hammer etc.

What matters is that who ever did it felt they had to do it for some reason we may never know. IT is the kids now who will suffer the most and have to live with that pain for the rest of their lives. What is going to happen to them, where are they going to go now, who is going to tuck them in at night? That is what really matters now. Why do people get so nasty when tragedy hits others?

coolpooh

4/4/2009 2:12:12 AM

Coolpooh:

If they were nice, we’d all know they were faking it.

Spudnik

4/4/2009 6:36:09 AM

Guns kill, and forks make you fat….

Onoma, you shouldn’t drink and type, it’s sooo makes you ugly.

Onoma you are obviously a white upper class women, mid 40’s who has not been exposed to much more than a Boulder like life. You consider yourself smarter than most. You listen to NPR every day. Blah blah blah.

God it makes me feel good to assume, how about you? But who the “heck” are you, you crazy b!tch. I’m just a developer, or a job seeker, or a……..

blueman

4/4/2009 7:12:57 AM

Posted by laughinghard-This is a horrible callous thing to say. You’re a total jerk.

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The woman was a LAWYER….

that says it all.

I just can’t seem to evoke any simpathy.

sidd

4/4/2009 7:21:49 AM

Yeah, I think so moabite. The divorce court system is very outdated. It’s geared towards old school woman, who never worked, never made money, and have no skills or abilities in today’s work force. So, the court requires the “breadwinner”, or generally the man, to support them and keep their lifestyle going after a long marriage. Now, however, we see people taking advantage of the “breadwinner” after these 10 and under years of marriage.

In regards to alimony, I agree it should be done with. I also think child support is similar or calculated similar to alimony. Your child support payment is based on incomes and that both households should have the same privileges for the kids. I guess your kids wouldn’t want to hang out with you if you didn’t have money. Of course, your payment goes down with time spent with the kids, but if you are expected to work and keep making the same kind of money pre divorce, you really can’t spend time with your kids. You are kind of boxed into a role you may or might change your mind about at any point.

Anyway, people who are married for a short time, are still young, have young kids, can remarry and have more kids. They must feel like it’s a life sentence to prison if you have someone who isn’t going to carry their weight after divorce and take the same amount of responsibility as the breadwinner. It’s terrible to say but I am surprised more people don’t kill each other in these situations.

MicMacGirl

4/4/2009 7:26:13 AM

Anti-depressants can cause suicidal thoughts and have had a role in some earlier unexplainable murder-suicides.

Just wondering….

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS105291+10-Mar-2009+BW20090310

Belle

4/4/2009 7:40:05 AM

Lauginghard — Agreed, sidd’s comments were, as usual, inappropriate. But at the same time, you need to chill out about the Longmont comments and stop taking them so seriously. You like Longmont? Good for you.

KR

4/4/2009 8:10:46 AM

We seem to be hearing only one side of this story so,

On behalf of the Father,

Who admitedly, I never knew.

Let me just sat this

She killed me….

WTF?

meta4

4/3/2009 9:55:43 PM

Sad to see people use this forum to push some sort of social commentary they want to scream from a pulpit…Just so you folks know, the X wasn’t fully supporting Rob anymore – so take that out of your head for a reason to point fingers.He busted his butt working many hours in his taxi to support himself and his children…There’s a fund that’s been opened to help these children as they grow up without their parents, i urge you to take your time to help that instead of turning this tragedy into a reason to push your social agenda on others.You can contact the manager of Boulder Yellow Cab for details on donating, she should have the info.Rob was a hard worker, a dedicated father, as well as an intelligent and funny guy with a kind soul.From all of us on the fleet of boulder yellow cab, much love Rob – you’ll be missed.

cabbie

4/4/2009 8:48:08 AM

Posted by ThatCertainWoman on April 3, 2009 at 10:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tfitzjake – A man doesn’t need to be an abuser to be devastated when his ex says she’s leaving the state and taking the kids. Not saying that’s what happened here, or that I have any idea about any alleged abuse. But after a contentious divorce, I imagine most parents would be shattered if the ex-spouse planned to move the kids far away.

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Excellent point.

Having seen divorce up close and personal, it’s easy to see how all that love can turn to anger and bitterness and frustration.

People in divorces, women as well as men, can and do become petty and vindictive. Combine that with everyday stress (including money – she was the breadwinner who lost her job, etc). Those things can escalate and spiral out of control into physical violence. There doesn’t need to be a history of abuse for this situation to have happened.

It may turn out he pulled the trigger, but for sure, metaphorically, they were both loading the weapon.

UAN

4/4/2009 8:49:40 AM

So nobody can ever comment on any story printed in the online newspaper because friends and family might be reading?

Well, there’s ALWAYS friends and family on any story.

The guy who murdered his wife and blew his own brains out didn’t worry too much about friends and family finding out, but we’re terrible people for having an opinion on sick, dead people whom we’ve never met.

And what kind of TWISTED weirdo goes to the newspaper to read what people are saying about his dead friend?

And I’m getting really tired of hearing what a great guy he was just before he committed the ultimate act of narcissism, taking her away forever and then killing himself to prevent punishment.Yeah, great guy.Obviously, you are easy to impress if you like this guy.

His own selfishness was more important than the lives and future of his “beloved” sons.

So go watch Judge Judy and stop bothering people just because you had the good fortune to know a scumbag murderer in a small town.Yes, you are special.But not too upset to surf the net and read every comment posted about your “friend”.

Or maybe we should have a way to stop newspaper stories if anyone you know is involved in any way?

zedlepplin

4/4/2009 8:53:05 AM

Surely the police were able to determine who shot who as soon as they walked in the door of the crime scene.Why isn’t this info being released to the public?

buffs_buzz

4/4/2009 8:56:10 AM

With schools screaming for teachers in colo, why couldn’t this guy get even a temp substitute job?

Why was he suspended from Yellow Cab?

Why was he a stay-at-home dad?

I don’t understand why he didn’t have a career. All of my ex-wives and I managed to have full time jobs and raise kids. And when we divorced it was no walk in the park, but nobody got killed.

I think he was a CU frat-boy who never grew up and never grew out of it. “After I graduate, I’m gonna get drunk every night”.

There would be an Ann Rule book here, except for the fact that this happens every other friggin’ day in amerika and we don’t need a book.Just a newspaper.And by tomorrow, the whole thing will be history.Gone… like tennis ball down the creek.

Amerika… solving our problems with firearms since 1776.

zedlepplin

4/4/2009 9:33:16 AM

Posted by KR on April 4, 2009 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lauginghard — Agreed, sidd’s comments were, as usual, inappropriate. But at the same time, you need to chill out about the Longmont comments and stop taking them so seriously.

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I’m just tired of coming on here and everything, I mean everything, somehow gets turned into schedenfraude against Longmont. Is this the best we Boulderites can do? Run down all the towns around us because our homes are worth more? The number and degree of comments on here against Longmont on a daily basis are disturbing. Boulderites sound like bullies. Is it okay for us to walk around town and laugh at people not carrying gucci purses now to? Worse, the only thing people on here seem to bond over/agree on is running down Longmont. Longmont is part of our county. Maybe we should be offering it our support and helping to make it a nice place to live so that people who might thrive economically living there aren’t made to feel like dirt for contemplating living there? Seriously, wouldn’t it have been nice if a family like this had moved to Louisville or Longmont, didn’t feel so economically stressed, and was still alive? (I know money wasn’t the reason for all of this, but I’m just saying).

Further the median income for boulder is $55,861 and 9.50% of the population were below the poverty line. The median income for Longmont is $51,174 and 7.8% of the population were below the poverty line.

4k a year less in income and less people living in poverty and city of Boulder residents think they’re so much better? WTF? Longmont has million dollar homes and plenty of nice areas. You guys need to get a grip and stop trying to make yourselves feel better by running down every one else around you. We’ve got plenty of good stuff in Boulder and we don’t need to get together to gang up on everyone else to make ourselves look good. Let’s try kindness for a change.

laughinghard

4/4/2009 9:38:32 AM

I’m just a developer, or a job seeker, or a……..blue silly old idiot pretending to be a man.

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GET RID OF THE GUNS, MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

creation

4/4/2009 9:41:46 AM

Did the censors at the camera remove oona’s comments? I keep seeing reference to them, but they aren’t on here?

laughinghard

4/4/2009 9:42:12 AM

Seriously laughinghard. Stop taking the Longmont comments so seriously. i bet 99% of the people posting the Longmont comments are just joking having fun and the other 1% are not worth listening to.

You’re gonna give yourself a heart attack buddy. Lighten up.

Jesus_was_a_socialist

4/4/2009 9:59:52 AM

I was wrong in my previous comment. Longmont bashing isn’t the only thing we bond over. We also bond over bashing developers. All the easy ones. Can’t we move on to something else?

laughinghard

4/4/2009 10:04:04 AM

“Police declined to release any details about their investigation Friday.”

Because this incident didn’t involve a traffic stop and they are in over their heads. Time to subcontract out to another agency that is actually capable of real detective work.

snarlpup

4/4/2009 10:17:54 AM

onoma go BOOM

Trapped.

thesurfriders

4/4/2009 10:26:13 AM

No it was thesurfrider who went boom a few days ago after having a three hour bad trip online.Lost big daytrading.

No we don’t have to listen to his commentary on biking, thank goddess.

GET RID OF THE GUNS MORON AND YOU WON’T KILL YOURSELF IN THE HEAT OF ANGER.

And get a life.You should have something better to discuss than some sad people.

Try Churchill or Midyette to get your rush.

creation

4/4/2009 10:45:05 AM

ThatCertainWoman, social status doesn’t matter, but it is important to realize that the Denver Post reporter obviously never visited the scene of the crime, or they wouldn’t have used the word “upscale” in their reporting. It just semantics, but accurate journalism is important. As an editor, I tend to get hung up on these things. Altapwdr is right, this is a 1500 square foot ranch house, built in the 1950s. Let’s just report things accurately.

LevelHead

4/4/2009 11:25:17 AM

Oh my, it’s all coming together much better now.I’m sure that a lot of the problem was the unnatural role playing they were doing.It is supposed to be the other way around.No wonder they were having marital problems!

RedWhiteAndBush

4/4/2009 11:49:40 AM

“Having seen divorce up close and personal, it’s easy to see how all that love can turn to anger and bitterness and frustration.”

Yet Americans and other underdeveloped societies still swallow the myth, hype and lies presented as the “institution” of marriage with the same unquestioning ignorance and naivete that they dutifully swallow the superstitious nonsense fed to them as religion.

“… forever and ever. ’till DEATH do us part.”

Yes Dorothy, some people actually believe such cloying pablum …quite literally.

Dr_Karma

4/4/2009 12:05:03 PM

Posted by sidd on April 3, 2009 at 9:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I heard that due to finical difficulties the guy had decided they had to move to Longmont.

I think the woman blew his face off with the shotgun as a stopping point….

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Dude, moving to Longmont was the best thing that I ever did. At least there is some real diversity there…Diversity of thought, of race, of nationality, and of income strata. I like to think of myself as a political refugee…

SoldierInWarofIdeas

4/4/2009 12:49:42 PM

Did the Killer leave a note?

thinice

4/4/2009 12:49:57 PM

Posted by laughinghard on April 4, 2009 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I was wrong in my previous comment. Longmont bashing isn’t the only thing we bond over. We also bond over bashing developers.

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Boulderites too dumb to get the irony that the reason the developers are rich is that Boulderites run down Longmont meaning people will pay to continue for overpriced homes.

But I don’t think a private school educated woman like this would have moved to an affordable place. Her husband might have as he seems to be doing what it takes-getting job as cab driver. But many of these people are victims of their own life. Egos too big to allow them to move to louisville or longmont. Also trying to build a career with two kids. Those firms demand 70 hours a week. And then she also had the commute. It’s impossible to have a life like that and have a successful strong marriage and happy kids and good health. Something suffers.

wayward

4/4/2009 1:13:53 PM

Posted by cabbie on April 4, 2009 at 8:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sad to see people use this forum to push some sort of social commentary they want to scream from a pulpit… Just so you folks know, the X wasn’t fully supporting Rob anymore – so take that out of your head for a reason to point fingers. He busted his butt working many hours in his taxi to support himself and his children…

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And you’re not pushing any agenda?

This is an appropriate place for people to discuss the larger issues involved and what is happening in our community. I personally think it’s a less appropriate place for people to come and divulge personal details about these people and to grieve or leave memorials and photos that link to web sites divulging personal details about these people, but I also feel you are entitled to post here if you want to. This is an open forum. But don’t expect people who don’t know this couple personally to discuss them personally and not talk about larger social issues.

laughinghard

4/4/2009 1:49:15 PM

People in Boulder who are up themselves because they’ve done nothing more than buy a house and sit in it for ten years and equate that with having amazing financial acumen and brains enough to put them above the residents of the rest of the world need to be sent to this class on empathy and bullying:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/05/education/05empathy.html?_r=1&hp

laughinghard

4/4/2009 1:56:35 PM

Some interesting stuff in the comments at the Denver Post website.It sounds like there is A LOT about this case which has not been reported by the media yet.

buffs_buzz

4/4/2009 2:24:04 PM

Posted by laughinghard: “Run down all the towns around us because our homes are worth more?”

No, it’s not all the towns around us. It’s just Longmont. And it’s not about what the homes are worth.

Louisville is a wonderful place, and I like Lafayette quite a bit. But Longmont … well, no thanks.

Nothing personal.

KR

4/4/2009 2:55:15 PM

creation,

DO you have any idea what I was referencing? Nope. Thanks for the laugh.

blueman

4/4/2009 3:40:22 PM

These situations and outcomes can happen anywhere and lordy lordy, even in Boulder. People are people, no matter what. Heck, I moved out of Boulder to unincorporatd Larimer County 10 years ago but reading about Boulder and it’s insular superiority is comparable to not being able to look away from a car accident. Oh…back to it happening anywhere. I live in a teeny little rural mountain community of less than 300 homes and in the space of a week we had two households with serious domestic issues requiring sheriff involvement. Just saying it doesn’t matter where, Boulder, Longmont, Erie, Superior (heck, some guy from Lafayette stabbed someone in Rock Creek, ANYWHERE.

We should all be thinking of the kids.

MountainHaven

4/4/2009 5:15:27 PM

I think it is very hard for dead people to work out their differences. I know it is hard even for living people to work out their problems.

Why so many guns in the USA ?

NachoMama

4/4/2009 8:18:15 PM

As my name says, I am a friend of the late husband in the story. My two cents will be fairly brief.

This was a tragedy, guns or not. As a long time friend of him and his family, (I went to the wedding and knew Katie a little) I am offended that a number of people on here want to use this awful thing as a (largely flaming left wing) socio-political springboard. Have some respect and compassion and keep your agenda out of this for the moment.

John 3:16

Ian

friendofrobert

4/5/2009 11:29:17 AM

So you’d prefer that people use this awful thing as a largely right-wing socio-political springboard?

Do you really think the outcome would have been the same without the GUNS?

NachoMama

4/5/2009 11:47:26 AM

So you’d prefer that people use this awful thing as a largely right-wing socio-political springboard?

No. I referred to liberalism because I saw that as the prevailing political standpoint. My original comment remains the same. Respect the family enough to NOT use their misfortune to tout your personal agenda.

Do you really think the outcome would have been the same without the GUNS?

I will not get into a pro or anti gun debate on this guest book for fear of becoming the advocate I criticized.

friendofrobert

4/5/2009 4:23:29 PM

So everyone was urging going to denver post including camera that linked to article and wow-lots of people in Denver had different take on Katie, saying she was pushed out of firm b/c of sleeping with clients. That’s a lot of bad gossip to be throwing around if not true.

I don’t know who pulled the trigger, but I do know people can say they are bullied and her friends might have had that impression b/c that is what she told them. But her type A personality type -I don’t see her as being bullied around that easily. I am personally seeing a guy who supporting his young wife through law school and then she worked hard to get status and then dumped him when he needed her. And if she was sleeping with clients (I’m not saying she was-can not validate these rumors and I’m sorry if people are spreading this and it’s wrong), I can see how that rubbed a sensitive guy the wrong way. That doesn’t justify murder. But you know, you can be legally right and morally wrong and visa versa.

I knew an attorney in town also in oil and gas and she ran rampant all over her husband-really wanted status and eventually dumped him for someone rich and powerful she’d met through the job. She was pretty horrible and narcisstic, so I may be reading too much into katie’s personality from this other person.

laughinghard

4/5/2009 10:44:06 PM

Laughinghard,

Can you direct me to another newspaper that may have more info (Denver Post)?

Like all the couple’s friends and family, I really want to know just what happened.

Thanks

friendofrobert

4/6/2009 4:58:52 AM

Go to the Denver Post and go to the News/Crimesection and find the article similar to this one.There are lot of rumors and conspiracy theories in the comments section.We may not know what really happened until Boulder PD releases their report.

buffs_buzz

4/6/2009 7:08:55 AM

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