• Mark Leffingwell

    Mariena Amber Harris looks back after Judge John Stavely set her bond at $500,000 during her first appearance at the Boulder County Jail in Boulder, Colorado April 22, 2009. CAMERA/Mark Leffingwell

  • Mark Leffingwell

    Lakesha Marie Crutcher begins to cry after Judge John Stavely set her bond at $250,000 during her first appearance at the Boulder County Jail in Boulder, Colorado April 22, 2009. CAMERA/Mark Leffingwell

  • Stabbing victim Logan Cameron Steele Sisson

  • Mark Leffingwell

    Robert Glenn Wittmer stands while Judge John Stavely sets his bond at $250,000 during his first appearance at the Boulder County Jail in Boulder on April 22, 2009. This morning, Boulder County Judge Care Hoye Enichen denied a defense motion seeking to lower Wittmer's bond.




Two women who attended a 4/20 marijuana party with a Longmont teenager Monday night are accused of stabbing him to death with a pocket knife after he was kicked out of the gathering for hitting on the hostess, police said Wednesday.

Mariena Amber Harris, 19, of Longmont, and Lakesha Marie Crutcher, 20, a transient, are being held at the Boulder County Jail on suspicion of second-degree murder in the stabbing death of Skyline High School dropout Logan Cameron Steele Sisson, 19.

Harris, who attended Skyline with the victim in 2005, is “taking responsibility” for the fatal blow, but her story has changed several times, police Cmdr. Tim Lewis said.

A third suspect, 35-year-old Robert Glenn Wittmer, of Longmont, is being held on suspicion of being an accessory to second-degree murder.

An autopsy Tuesday revealed that Sisson died from a stab wound to the chest, but police wouldn’t say if he was stabbed more than once.

The suspects drove around town after the stabbing and talked with several people about the fight that led up to it, Lewis said.

“The discussions have different facts and conclusions,” he said.

All three suspects appeared in court Wednesday afternoon, where a judge set a $500,000 bond for Harris and $250,000 bonds for Crutcher and Wittmer.

Harris sat quietly throughout the hearing in a red smock, with her hands bound in chains around her waist. Her father attended the hearing, but declined to speak with reporters. Harris’s attorney, Matthew Connell, also declined comment.

Official charges are expected to be filed Friday.

Suspect ‘nauseated’

Investigators believe the suspects all knew Sisson, and that the women had gone to school with him.

John Poynton, a spokesman for the St. Vrain Valley School District, said Harris, Crutcher and Sisson all attended the district’s Adult Education center, which helps students older than 17 earn a diploma.

Crutcher, who previously attended Arapahoe Ridge High School in Boulder, referenced the learning center on the social networking site

Her profile on the site includes photos of herself wearing a blue sweatshirt and bandana with the caption, “reppin that blue … lovin the crip life.”

The Crips gang is known to associate with the color blue, although police insist gang activity had nothing to do with the slaying.

The site, which lists Crutcher by the nickname “KeyLow C,” was last updated Tuesday, with her emotional status listed as “nauseated,” and the message: “KeyLow C is wonderin who she am.”

“My life is kind of a quiet one, seeing in how I don’t really hang out with that many people,” her profile reads. “I know how to have a good time. And I like to hang out.”

Crutcher was immediately placed on suicide watch after being booked into jail early Wednesday, Boulder County sheriff’s Division Chief Larry Hank said.

Hank said Crutcher was emotionally distraught at the possible murder charge, and would be monitored and given a mental-health evaluation to determine whether she’d remain on suicide watch.

“They sometimes can come in pretty distraught and emotional when they come in with those charges,” Hank said.

Harris and Wittmer were booked into the jail without incident, Hank said.

During searches of their homes early Wednesday, investigators recovered several knives from Harris’ home that will be sent to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation for analysis, Lewis said. He said he thinks the murder weapon was among them.

Detectives also found several small homemade explosive devices in Wittmer’s home, 1636 Mount Evans Drive, for which the man could face additional charges. The Boulder County and Longmont Bomb Squads were called to defuse the devices, which Lewis described as having the potential to “blow off fingers” but not do widespread harm.No one answered the door Wednesday at either house.

Wittmer gave himself the nickname “Dragon Master,” according to police â and is the only one of the trio of suspects who has a criminal history in Colorado.

Most of the charges he’s faced stem from traffic offenses and for failure to pay fines or appear in court. The most serious charges came from an arrest on suspicion of felony fraud and forgery.

According to the CBI, Wittmer, who was born in Louisiana, also goes by the name Barry Scott Wittmer.

‘We had no clue’

Lewis said the group went to the park late Monday night specifically to find Sisson, who had been told to leave a pro-pot party at a house three blocks away â in the 1900 block of Meadow Drive â after the woman hosting the party became the “object of his unwanted affection.”

At the park, police say a physical fight broke out between Sisson and the two women, although detectives aren’t sure who started it.

A friend of Sisson’s told police four people left the city’s Lanyon Park in a 1997 black-and-red Geo Tracker after a fight erupted there between them and Sisson, who staggered across the street and was found bleeding on a stranger’s porch last Monday night.

The fourth person at the fight has been identified and interviewed, but not charged with a crime, Lewis said.

“We know who he is,” Lewis said. “We are working to just determine what his exact involvement was in the incident.”

Detectives believe alcohol and marijuana were being used at the party, and were factors leading to the fight.

All three suspects were booked into Boulder County Jail between 2:15 and 4:10 a.m.

Police arrested them after a bizarre series of events that left detectives dumbfounded, Lewis said.

After developing a lead about a potential witness, detectives went to Harris’ home, 201 E. Longspeak Ave., on Tuesday afternoon. Lewis said Harris, who was not yet considered a suspect, refused to talk to them.

Detectives noticed a Geo Tracker parked in front, and set up surveillance on the house. They eventually saw Wittmer getting into the car, and stopped him down the road for questioning Tuesday afternoon.

Shortly afterward, officers watching the house saw Harris and Crutcher leave together and â to the astonishment of detectives â drive to the Longmont Police Department.

“They said they were there to turn themselves in,” Lewis said.

He said people at the station had “no clue” why they were there at first, and the women did not admit to any involvement in the crime. They did request attorneys while police moved to search Harris’ and Wittmer’s homes.

“We had to take our time because they were not identified as suspects at that point,” Lewis said.


Archived comments


I love ya.I rarely disagree with you.You function better than the yuppies.You are a small part of the Boulder I fell in love with in 1980.

I’ll take ya out to lunch sometime.


4/23/2009 1:43:59 AM

Another Heath Urie fictional account. Not only did this NOT happen on 4/20, but there’s a bunch of other fiction in it. Read the Times-Call and get the facts. In Longmont it was citizen’s pitching in to help find the suspects.

Note the Boulder stabbing story: Man stabbed in Boulder’s Central Park

Heath is assigned to write trash about Longmont and any place outside of wonderfully peaceful Boulder, where the cops can’t find their butt cheeks with both hands.


4/23/2009 5:45:18 AM

Maybe they are just bad people.


4/23/2009 8:18:03 AM

He should of listen to Katt Williams.Quote “I dont get high with White folks.Hell no you white people do somefreaky Sh*t when you get high”

4/23/2009 9:13:06 AM

This bunch looks like the cream of the crop of Boulder County.I think that Comic Book Guy might want to have some words with Dragon Master.

4/23/2009 10:47:59 AM

Moosi on April 23 @ 1:43 a.m. —

Thanks, now all Brinkley needs is a trust fund.


4/23/2009 10:49:09 AM

Suspect Crutcher needs to stop crying and toughen up before she gets to prison, assuming that is her ultimate destination, or she’s in for a really bad time from other inmates there.


4/23/2009 10:53:21 AM

Mariena Amber Harris keeps looking better and better with each picture, doesn’t she?What a hottie….


4/23/2009 11:06:02 AM

Suspect Harris isn’t smiling, but it’s apparent that she still has teeth — proof that methamphetamine abuse isn’t one of her addictions.

The question remains: Why didn’t their marijuana usage make these suspects feel warm and fuzzy, rather than homicidal? It’s a magical herbal cure-all, according to Boulder Stoners . . .


4/23/2009 11:27:16 AM

Just a harmless drug that attracts the best kind of people.

Well, in reality, the only people who get involved with this kind of stuff are those whose lives are so totally empty of anything worthwhile that they need to find some escape from reality.


4/23/2009 11:32:53 AM

Dunno, why wasn’t there more violent crime on 4/20,what with 10,000 potheads all in one spot?


4/23/2009 11:36:57 AM

Could it be that marijuana does NOT alter one’s personality to any significant degree?

Smoking weed (unless it’s laced with PCP or formaldehyde, both popular in the inner cities) doesn’t turn a peaceful person into a killer, nor does it turn Jack the Ripper into Mahatma Gandhi.

Reefer madness and panacea are both a crock of s***.


4/23/2009 11:41:34 AM

Two things:

Robert Lewis (911 caller) could have expressed a greater sense of urgency, no?

How about that 911 operator shutting her trap and sending an ambulance?


4/23/2009 11:58:36 AM

Doc…you don’t have to be toothless to be a meth user. When you see a person like that, you know they’ve been using for a long, long time. Meth is everywhere in Longmont, and all kinds of people use it. Including rich trust fund babies.

I am 100% certain that meth was the drug of choice for most of these people. Meth can also cause extreme irritability and aggresion.

They may have also smoked weed, but if this crime is going to be blamed on the effects of a drug, that is not the drug to blame.

Read up:


4/23/2009 12:29:57 PM

Must be very weak methamphetamine here in Colorado. Hillbilly Meth back in Missouri is not a recreational drug, it’s a death sentence.

Old Doc was not exaggerating when he likened the meth addicts he’s known to survivors of a Nazi concentration camp.

Let’s attach the blame where it belongs — on the perps.


4/23/2009 1:01:09 PM

These photos are consistent with Brinkley’s observations of meth addicts in MO:


4/23/2009 1:21:33 PM

This has nothing to do with drugs and everything to do with people. I know Crutcher personally, I tried to help her get her act together and get on her feet and do something good with her life, she made the choice to screw me over and burn that bridge, she made the choice to live the life she was living prior to this. These people had another option we all know that, they made the choice they did because of the kind of people they are. And now they will have to deal with how the rest of lives will be……in jail.So sad. My deepest sympathy to the family of Mr Sisson, no one should have to die that way.

anyway that’s my 2cents take it or leave it.


4/23/2009 1:27:18 PM

‘Why didn’t their marijuana usage make these suspects feel warm and fuzzy, rather than homicidal?’

My dear doc, didnt you read that marijuana AND alcohol was involved ?You should know by now that even sweet mary jane cant counteract the evils of the mighty captain morgan…


4/23/2009 2:26:38 PM

“Posted by Jesus_was_a_socialist on April 22, 2009 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hittin’ on the hostess at a 4:20 party?

That’s a stabbin’!”



4/23/2009 2:33:49 PM

Well, Jakpott, that must mean that marijuana is not a panacea after all . . .

Old Doc tends to believe that most violent criminals are sociopaths, and would continue their bad behavior even if clean and sober.


4/23/2009 2:35:49 PM

Doc..your right to a point, but one of my best friends was addicted to meth for over a year. Thankfully, she recovered, but her teeth never fell out, her skin never broke out (in my own observation) and she actually received compliments about how skinny she had gotten! Like I’ve said before, there are many faces of meth, and they’re not all toothless blistered faces of death. That is a dangerous misconception.


4/23/2009 2:47:51 PM

Old Doc has not seen any evidence here in Boulder County, CO of a methamphetamine problem that even begins to approach what Missouri has battled for many years:

Brinkley was in the Lafayette County, MO jail for about four months before being sentenced to Missouri DOC, and he saw with his own eyes meth addicts picking teeth out of their gums. Every one was emaciated, too. Old Doc will never forget the meth addict he saw on the street in KC; skin and bones, her ghastly appearance caused Brinkley to puke.

Meth formulas vary widely, but the anhydrous ammonia and other volatile chemicals used in MO are no joke.

Longmont is obviously NOT home to such a potent and deadly form of meth — which kills most who use it in a few short years.


4/23/2009 3:20:16 PM

Doc_Brinkley So “Doc”, what did you do to get sent to prison?


4/23/2009 6:20:47 PM



4/23/2009 6:36:10 PM

mija..Using all caps on your post (which is considered shouting) does not make you look any more credible, or make anyone take you more seriously. I understand you’re angry and upset, but there is no need for this.

Have some tact if and when you decide to post again.


4/23/2009 6:44:01 PM

Felony Murder … Lisl Auman redux …


4/23/2009 7:56:48 PM


The gift that keeps on giving.


4/22/2009 7:49:27 AM

at least Longmont Police catch people quickly. If this happened in Boulder, it would be a week +


4/22/2009 7:58:34 AM

Wow Don, such prose.

Please, share some more with us.

4/22/2009 8:00:14 AM

4/22/2009 8:13:22 AM

What a good looking group of folks here…


4/22/2009 8:23:39 AM

Ditto to dtwyr! These people were reportedly in north Boulder for a period of time, but the great case solving Boulder PD couldn’t find them, any better than they could find gang rapists right outside of Boulder High School half a year ago. They were probably trying to catch more hacky-sack violators on the mall or catching people going 49 mph on Foothills Parkway.

4/22/2009 8:23:50 AM

if it happened in The Bubble.. the cops would NEVER catch them.


4/22/2009 8:28:34 AM

Well, so much for the illegal immigrant, Mexican gang theories that were posted yesterday…

4/22/2009 8:28:35 AM

Ok…really this is so off topic at this point it’s not even funny. First of all, just because they were “alleged” to be at a party does not mean that they were high or drunk at the time of the fight. Don’t you think that they would have actually listed in their reports as a fact not a “suspicion of”? After all, everyone always blames drugs and alcohol first anyways. They use it in every other sentence of the articles.

1st of all, there is NO proof they actually attended the party as there are different reports depending on what article you read and how the media “spun” it. The girl that threw the party won’t even admit to it, so there is no proof whether they were there or not beforehand. 1st they were at the party on Meadow, then they showed up looking for the guy just to beat him up, then it was 2 of them, then it was 4 of them. Honestly, no offense but if all 4 were involved in the actual “beating up” of this kid, they would ALL FOUR be charged with 2nd-degree murder. They aren’t for a reason. They all have their seperate responsibilities for this horrible situation. I agree with many of the previous posts that drugs did not do this. A few VERY misdirected people did.

I know Robert personally and I have never once seen him high. Nor has he ever displayed any kind of violence towards anybody around him. Yes, he’s made his share of mistakes and done stupid stuff at one point or another, as most people have. When you are perfect, you have the right to judge others mistakes. Yes, this is a greater mistake than most and he will be punished for it. This has actually come as a huge shock to everyone that knows him. We have never seen him with these 2 girls and have no idea how they even knew each other. And NO, we in no way condone this kind of behavior and are all very intrigued by what ACTUALLY happened… instead of by the “stories” each person involved has told. Nobody but the people invovled will ever fully know the truth. A young life was lost and is very tragic and I honestly feel great sadness for the families that were destroyed in the process. Please think about them when you are filling up a public page with a lot of accussations and insults towards people whose lives are already destroyed. Yes you are all entitled to your opinions, but if you think that the family members of this young lost life does not read these, you are sorely mistaken.

Yes, I too am angry at what happened, I am just not about to sit here and make a bad situation worse by shooting my mouth off and thinking that I know what actually happened or making jokes about such a serious situation for all involved. I wasn’t there and unless you were, please don’t assume you know.


4/23/2009 9:22:16 PM

Yeah these guys look like Longmont alright.

To bad they had their whole lives ahead of them they could have been meth cooks, car thieves, probation officers, ,,what else is in Longmont?,,,ahh worked at checker auto parts, opened a pawnshop.

Hey they are kind of like that movie Natural Born Killers but in Longmont.


4/22/2009 8:42:31 AM

You’re correct… they are white.

They must have gone to school in (Bigot) Boulder.

That explains a lot.


4/22/2009 8:44:27 AM

This we know:

A young man was being beaten by two women.

His alleged friend turned away and called 911.

There was a subsequent assault on the victim involving at least one other person.

After the assailants left, the alleged friend neared the victim and again called 911, suggesting that the victim was bleeding and probably had a broken arm.

The victim and the assailants were acquainted prior to the attack.

Getting Along: Fail.

911 Alert: Success.

911 Command: Fail.

Alleged Friend Back-up: Fail

According to the audio tape, Alleged Friend’s Compassion Rating: Fail.

Pacifists’ Rationalization of Alleged Friend’s Inaction: Fail.

Pacifists Revealing Themselves To Be Sad, Pathetic Cowards: Success.


4/23/2009 9:57:05 PM

Crystal meth = Acne


4/22/2009 8:53:00 AM

White trash from Longmont.


4/22/2009 9:06:13 AM


“Well, so much for the illegal immigrant, Mexican gang theories that were posted yesterday…”


That has shifted over to the wild-eyed Whole Foods gunslinger story. Please keep up.


4/22/2009 9:07:42 AM

Longmont used to be a ‘nice’ town. Now it boasts of being a ‘knife’ town.


4/22/2009 9:20:02 AM

“However, the host of the party denies that a party took place at the home.”

Shouldn’t that be “the alleged host of the alleged party denies that a party took place at the alleged home”?

4/22/2009 9:21:11 AM

they certainly fell off the “ugly tree”.

I would be mean too

4/22/2009 9:43:12 AM

Classy looking bunch.


4/22/2009 9:46:36 AM

Where are all the racist bigoted posters who were so blindly clamoring about “illegal” immigrants, Mexicans, Latino gangs and deportation ??


4/22/2009 9:52:17 AM

Posted by orbison on April 23, 2009 at 9:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This we know:

A young man was being beaten by two women.

His alleged friend turned away and called 911.

There was a subsequent assault on the victim involving at least one other person.

After the assailants left, the alleged friend neared the victim and again called 911, suggesting that the victim was bleeding and probably had a broken arm.

The victim and the assailants were acquainted prior to the attack.

Getting Along: Fail.

911 Alert: Success.

911 Command: Fail.

Alleged Friend Back-up: Fail

According to the audio tape, Alleged Friend’s Compassion Rating: Fail.

Pacifists’ Rationalization of Alleged Friend’s Inaction: Fail.

Pacifists Revealing Themselves To Be Sad, Pathetic Cowards: Success

As a 911 dispatcher myself; yes she could have handled it better.

As far as the friend of the victim, I am biased because I know him personally. I would stand stand behind him no matter what.

As far as the 911 call, at which time it was first released on youtube it gave the callers name. Big no no. Yes it is public records, but they must notify the person on the recording that they are releasing it to the media.

Pot didn’t make these three idiots kill that young man, but maybe just maybe the booze did.

Add alcohol and you get instant tough guy syndrome. And the two phyco broads.

Hang their butts. But thats just my 2 cents.


4/23/2009 11:34:57 PM

Maybe they can get a room with Alex. That Lakeisha looks to be just his type.Lakeisha you gotta love those hiphop star names!


4/22/2009 9:57:30 AM

you people are so quick to judge what this article fails to talk about is how mariena was taken to the hospital for severe bruising to her ribs and back the guy was hitting on her first and her friend jumped in and then the stabbing happened i know mariena personally for many years and she is not a meth addict at all never has been since when do teens not have acne come on now u people make me sick i am not justifying what she did but im tired of reading comments saying that she is scum and yeaaaa get the trash off the streets she was far from trash she was in school on her way to cosmetology school you people know nothing about this girl and look at sissons photo helllloooooo mug shot so he wasnt exactly an outstanding citizen but i dont see comments ripping on him as for the horrible human being that had the party i would like to see her in jail for having young kids in her home partying she is lying and is only trying to watch her butt i know that person as well and she is a prime example of whats wrong in longmont she lets her 15 year old party and she does it with him i guess she is trying to stay young and thats no excuse its people like that who should not know the joys of motherhood! as for mariena justice will find the truth hopefully and she will be punished accordingly !! why u people think that LPD is so great is beyond me they are only after the money they are the most sorry excuse for police in this state and should have the many corrupt cops put behind bars for some of the horror stories i have heard!!! my heart goes out to all families involved not just one how would u feel if that was your daughter! the other female involved im not sure what to say about her other then she could use the help she will receive in jail i dont know her and wouldnt care too mariena always saw the good in people and gave them the benefit of the doubt!!!!


4/23/2009 11:52:10 PM

buddha5150 – Thanks for your honesty regarding dispatch. I can only imagine what a difficult and stressful job you must sometimes have. No one gets things right 100% of the time.

You say you know the friend of the victim personally and that you “would stand stand behind him no matter what.” That speaks to my point. If you were witnessing his being beaten, would you turn away and call 911, or would you do that and/or something else?

Merely curious.Best, -O


4/23/2009 11:58:41 PM

Lemme be the first:

dsmboost = Uriah?


4/24/2009 12:03:34 AM

‘ Police said the party may have been related to the 4/20 marijuana celebrations Monday ‘

Way to work hard to link it, somehow, someway to 4/20…!!Yeah, that must have been it !! That crazy weed !



4/22/2009 10:01:32 AM


if she was such a great person..why did she do what she did???? self defense is what your trying to say.haa he left and they followed..not much self defence their.sure seems like they knew exactly what they were doing…

and lets not forget the track recoerd of physicall offenses she had involving knives…she deserves to sit in jail for life as does the people that helped her..


4/24/2009 12:17:54 AM

Four potheads down and 9994 to go!


4/22/2009 10:04:28 AM

The bottom four pictures = faces of meth.

Not a pretty picture, but such a gigantic problem.

It is not just a Longmont issue, and for those of you that think it is, wake up! It is all around you.

It’s an epidemic with no foreseeable solution, meanwhile destroying countless lives and communities. But what can be done? I just don’t know if there’s an answer.


4/22/2009 10:05:00 AM

biker_joe: “… you gotta love those hiphop star names!”

Cue “BiggieSmalls” … aka BS.



4/22/2009 10:05:21 AM

vibyl: “Crystal meth = Acne”

Man, there sure are a lot of teenagers, pregnant women and bodybuilders using that stuff then …


4/22/2009 10:10:40 AM

resident – Lil buzzed?


4/24/2009 1:19:59 AM

If the visual clues are correct, and they are meth users, it’s all the more reason to legalize it. The cost of prohibition drives the crime. If it’s legal they can speed up the prolonged suicide that’s called using meth. They won’t have to steal the money to buy their meth, which removes the crime and allows them to get it over with.


4/22/2009 10:10:57 AM

Poor sidd.Must be tough to be so uneducated and bitter.I actually pity the litte fella.Don’t worry kiddo…at some point they’ll just pass you to keep their funding and get you the hell out of the building.


4/22/2009 10:19:51 AM

More like Biggie Smells!


4/22/2009 10:20:33 AM

Mariena needs a little more work before the sex change is complete.


4/22/2009 10:21:58 AM

God they are ugly!!!!!!!!! Mariena looks like she has every disease known and maybe some that aren’t.


4/22/2009 10:26:39 AM

Viper1963 showed his bigotry, racism and prejudice on April 21, 2009 at 9:01 a.m.:

Latino gangs……


Wrong again!


4/22/2009 10:26:52 AM

Logan Cameron Steele Sisson – 19

Lakesha Marie Crutcher – 20

Mariena Amber Harris – 19

Robert Glenn Wittmer – 35

Robert, which druggie were you trying to pick up on?Get a life, that is just embarassing.What a bunch of losers.


4/22/2009 10:28:11 AM

Anyone else think the firemen cleaning up the CS is disturbing?What if the kid’s family see’s it?When I was a kid my grandfather was killed in a tractor/train accident, our local news ran the picture of my grandfather being zipped into the body bag, as their goto shot.Seeing firsthand the effect of these images, I would suggest changing the photo.jmho.


4/22/2009 10:39:52 AM

Hard to imagine three such wholesome looking people could be involved, no?


4/22/2009 10:42:43 AM

They have no clue what a life is. Raised by doofi, run with doofi, and kill each other.I agree, leagalize meth, give it away, and the population problem will soon cure itself.


4/22/2009 10:48:25 AM

The guy that was killed (Sisson) has a picture in the article that looks like a police mug shot.

DC, is this the case, and if so, what was Mr. Sisson’s previous police history?


4/22/2009 10:49:53 AM

People like this give meth a bad name.


4/22/2009 10:59:55 AM

More crime = more Longmont


4/22/2009 11:03:34 AM

So much for the “marijuana never caused anyone to get killed” lie.

Drugs kill.Keep them illegal.


4/22/2009 11:03:42 AM

Sisyphus biker_joe – HEY!!!!That’s not nice, after all, I got shot!



4/22/2009 11:19:50 AM

Reefer Madness

4/22/2009 11:21:25 AM

Boulder_Native- Congrats on fulfilling the Camera’s goal. It’s absolutely ridiculous to connect this crime to marijuana. DRUGS DO kill people, however marijuana never has and never will. A little research never hurts.


4/22/2009 11:23:14 AM

Until he came here to Boulder, Brinkley had never heard so many assert the asinine claim that marijuana is a harmless recreational drug that makes its users mellow. In KC, almost every violent felon smokes weed daily, many to the exclusion of alcohol or other drugs like crack cocaine; they’ll stab or shoot you in a heartbeat.

It’s the culture, stupid!

Only stoned Boulder Ph.D. types think and preach otherwise — another proof of the power of the Forbes Magazine Curse.


4/22/2009 11:26:14 AM

Hey Sissypussy,

Great name,I could give a crap what you think, can’t take a joke?Get over yourself, besides, I was only half wrong….or was that a peace sign that guy was flashing?


4/22/2009 11:28:01 AM

When will this stoner-on-stoner violence end?!


4/22/2009 11:29:02 AM

Is that second picture from the top (Mariena Amber Harris), really Marlyn Manson without makeup?Check it out:


4/22/2009 11:29:32 AM

“Posted by orbison on April 22, 2009 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

People like this give meth a bad name.”



4/22/2009 11:32:03 AM

The Camera misses out on a crucial piece of information from the story. Thankfully, has it….

“After the incident, police started looking for a Geo Tracker. When they located the vehicle on Tuesday, one of the suspects, Robert Wittmer, 35, also known as Dragon Master, was driving.”


4/22/2009 11:37:08 AM

Wittmer…isn’t he the guy who owns the comic book store on the Simpsons?

4/22/2009 11:41:42 AM

weed kills…


4/22/2009 11:51:15 AM

“Lewis said Harris is “taking responsibility” for the fatal blow, but her story has changed several times.”

Hmm. maybe weed screws with the memory a little..


4/22/2009 12:00:54 PM

All winners in my book. Are you sure it was a pot smoking party and not a crack smoking party?


4/22/2009 12:06:12 PM

i guess the implication is that these are the typical faces of marijuana advocacy…people who use it and then go stab one another —

can someone direct me to a ‘pro-beer’ event?

oh, that’s right…every football game played at fulsom field


4/22/2009 12:06:34 PM

I’d say crystal meth – not marijuana- is to blame for this one. The soulless look in each of their eyes can only be caused by chemical hard drugs and GUILT. Obvious failed propaganda- you can spot and smell a meth user from a mile

away…rainwater,IXLR8, orbison and I must be the only ones with street smarts round here…


4/22/2009 12:16:22 PM

Get a clue, Smoke — marijuana doesn’t turn anyone into an advocate for universal peace and love, and neither does any other drug, but it’s the Boulder Stoners who claim otherwise.

They lie.


4/22/2009 12:16:58 PM

These people (the 3 accused) are the unfortunate scud who give Longmont a bad name. Such an embarrassment to the community. Thank goodness the Longmont PD is so expedient about getting these people off the street. I truly appreciate their valiant efforts to “clean up.” Keep up the good work — Longmont is a great city, and will get even better thanks to their hard work.


4/22/2009 12:18:13 PM

Pot and a Geo Tracker, he’s gone for life.


4/22/2009 12:22:42 PM

according to the image, they were at a “pro-pot party”

I would hate to see the people at an amateur-pot party… those are the people that forget the Doritos.


4/22/2009 12:25:47 PM

BTW, I know real methheads from Missouri — they look like survivors of a Nazi concentration camp, just skin and bones. Suspects Crutcher and Wittmer in this case are fat.


4/22/2009 12:26:23 PM

Those three remind me of the Boulder County Commissioners.Can’t put my finger on the reason but it’s true.


4/22/2009 12:27:16 PM

Sadly, Longmont’s Finest are better than BPD at dealing with this sort of thing because the situation presents itself more often. I’m guessing.

Now if speeding and nude jogging are crimes you want to quash, Boulder PD are the ones for you!


4/22/2009 12:29:07 PM

Doc_Brinkley, give it up. Go back to viewing your VHS copy of Reefer Madness. ‘If’ pot was to blame for this, then it was in combination with another drug, or ‘if’ it is to blame by itself, its the transaction that is the cause, not the use.In my 40+ years of experience dealing with ‘potheads’ or ‘stoners’ I have NEVER ran into a violent ‘stoner’. The violence comes from the meth/crack/coke/drunks/heroine abusers that smoke some pot because it’s available at the time.10,000 smokers on the North Quad 2 days ago and no riots, or violence, or car tipping like a Bronco’s victory in Denver… Go figure.


4/22/2009 12:34:25 PM

its funny how the ignorant pot-heads immediately point fingers at METH, when the article does not even mention it.

It’s not MY drug that caused this misery that destroyed 4 lives and ended one…. oh no.

Face the facts, marijuana DID casue this misery.It was a 4/20 party that they were at prior to the murder.

reality bites, that’s why losers that can’t handle it do drugs to stay in an ignorant stupor.


4/22/2009 12:45:06 PM

Pot doesn’t kill criminals… criminals kill criminals.


4/22/2009 12:53:42 PM

drugs didn’t cause this, losers did. Blame people. Pot, cars, knives, guns, ice cream, street lamps, etc…. are all inanimate objects and can do no harm.


4/22/2009 12:57:22 PM

“It’s the culture, stupid!” What part of this do you not understand, lafalot?

Marijuana is a part of violent inner city life all over America, and denial is silly.

Old Doc favors decriminalizing marijuana, but many proponents are their own worst enemies, existing in a fantasy world.


4/22/2009 12:59:06 PM

It’s a crying shame “Colorfornia” just canned the death penalty. Doubtful “Dragon Boy” and his crew would’ve amounted to anything more than something one avoids stepping in.


4/22/2009 1:02:58 PM

The vic might still be alive today if the perps had used firearms instead of a knife.


4/22/2009 1:03:09 PM

UAN and gravitee – You miss understand the effects of drugs on people.

Normal people generally don’t make really stupid decisions “most” of the time.Whereas a perfectly rational person on drugs has dramatically reduced inhibitions and reduced mental capacity and OFTEN make really stupid decisions.

The bad decision was to do the drugs in the first place, putting themselves in that state and likely with the wrong kind of people.

They are still responsible for the consequences of their actions.

Drugs can also be used by predators to entice vulernable kids into a life of addiction, un-protected sex and crime.

A good example of this is the Wittmer character.WHat is a 35yd old doing hanging out with 18-20 yr olds?He is a corrupter, a negative influence, and should be dealt with most harshly of the four.


4/22/2009 1:04:57 PM

I wasn’t aware that Longmont has an inner city.


4/22/2009 1:07:26 PM

Stoned right now, eh, lafalot? Maybe you’ll be able to follow the discussion better in a few hours.

Now, have some Doritos.


4/22/2009 1:12:28 PM

The Dragonmaster will now have cell mate AKA A_$master to play D&D with.

4/22/2009 1:18:47 PM

Potheads from Longmont. Nuff said.


4/22/2009 1:19:28 PM

Posted by Doc_Brinkley on April 22, 2009 at 12:59 p.m.

“Marijuana is a part of violent inner city life all over America, and denial is silly.”

by that ‘logic’, so is water. try again.

4/22/2009 1:24:31 PM

Doc, you are a regular comedian! Har de har har har!

These 3, possibly 4, people are probably serious addicts, but I would venture to guess that they aren’t pot addicts…More like meth or some other street drug.

They went to a party, quite possibly a 4/20 party, but to them it was a party, probably had one on St. Pats day too. Green beer killings, thats a different rant.

Anyways, this culture you are talking about is not centered around marijuana. My fantasy world involves the legalization of pot, and the re-allocation of resources towards the quest to eliminate the other, more deadly street drugs.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it, Doc.


4/22/2009 1:24:54 PM

Yes Doc, many violent degenerates smoke pot but it is a fantasy to believe that pot has anything to do with the cause of this violence.Correlation and causation are not the same thing.A lot of people smoke pot, Doc.This includes more than violent people and “peace & love & trust funds” Boulderites.


4/22/2009 1:33:34 PM

White trash potheads from Longmont. Next.


4/22/2009 1:40:50 PM

Exactly my point, degas_e.

But too many Boulder Stoners preach that marijuana will make us all love each other and live together in peace. Also baloney, just like the reefer madness business.


4/22/2009 1:48:11 PM

What separates these lovelies from the typical Boulder pot smoker is the lack of fake dreadlocks and Che Guevara T-shirts.They don’t look like they have trust funds or BMW’s either, but that is just speculation.My bet is it wasn’t the herb….


4/22/2009 1:48:32 PM

1st – that’s a chick?

and 2nd – if you’re 35 and go by “Dragon Master”, something is wrong with you.


4/22/2009 1:50:42 PM

…and what self-respecting DRAGON MASTER would not rock a TRACKER…


4/22/2009 2:06:23 PM

“Posted by nuday on April 22, 2009 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

…and what self-respecting DRAGON MASTER would not rock a TRACKER…”

Classic.I’m still laughing.


4/22/2009 2:11:24 PM

Bet you a donut that he’s “Dragon Master” because he’s a smack head.


4/22/2009 2:14:10 PM

I can’t believe eveyone with there the pot made them do it. BS

Dragon Master is the cook. I would like to place bets on this on.


4/22/2009 2:17:15 PM

If they were doing METH, then why were NONE of the four found with any meth paraphenalia, or in posession of any METH?

Surely as dumb as everyone is painting them in this blog, they would not be smart enough to stash their stuff good enough not to be found.

Clearly Wittmer’s place was thoroughly tossed by the cops since they found his homemade firecracker.


No evidence, in fact plenty of proof to the contrary.METH was NOT involved.

Give it up pot apologists.Pot makes folks do dumb $#!+ too.


4/22/2009 2:18:47 PM

Dan White had the “twinkie” defense… now the pot head defense and protection of the host of pot party! FREE THE POT HEAD MURDERERS!!!!!!! DUDE,

Boulder County Justice for ALL!


4/22/2009 2:19:17 PM

A 35 year-old who hangs out with 19 and 20 year-olds, makes explosive devices….. probably lives with his mom.Only in Longmont!


4/22/2009 2:22:29 PM

Let’s call every subsequent 4/20 “Logan Sisson Day”… if Nederland have their “Dead Guy Festival”, why not show how completly screwed up our society has become by mocking a murder victim?


4/22/2009 2:26:36 PM

“after finding Wittmer, also known as “Dragon Master,” driving his 1997 black-and-red Geo Tracker”


Where was this guy from…?

Calls himself “Dragon Master” and drives a 1997 Geo Tracker.


4/22/2009 2:35:18 PM

This is what happens when you give a “WHOLE LOT” of people a “WHOLE LOT OF POT” but only 1 large pizza.

Dominoes dropped the ball again!


4/22/2009 2:41:36 PM

78 posts against a stabbing in Longmont-2 posts against a stabbing in Boulder’s central park. Posters here must smoke a lot of the funny stuff to keep themselves under the delusion that Boulder is better though the same problems are happening in both towns -(though I don’t remember reading about Longmont residents participating in four shootings in the last month, dog torture, drug smuggling into the jail, or stealing medicine from surgical patients, so to say the same problems are happening in both towns may be unfair to Longmont). If all the evidence of the last month is weighed up-Longmont residents are behaving themselves better than Boulder residents-so boulder hypocrites like KR should keep their mouths shut.


4/22/2009 2:44:48 PM

Posted by boulder_native on April 22, 2009 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If they were doing METH, then why were NONE of the four found with any meth paraphenalia, or in posession of any METH?

Surely as dumb as everyone is painting them in this blog, they would not be smart enough to stash their stuff good enough not to be found.

Clearly Wittmer’s place was thoroughly tossed by the cops since they found his homemade firecracker.


No evidence, in fact plenty of proof to the contrary. METH was NOT involved.

Give it up pot apologists. Pot makes folks do dumb $#!+ too.

What substances did they find?Not calling you out, but you made a good point.It doesn’t say they found ANY drugs in their houses.So why all the yelling??

So they were at a party..Like Lafalot said, it could have been a pattty’s day party..

It’s hard to see how the party matters at all, except the kid was hitting on a girl that wasn’t interested..

So, if you needed “another” reason to not date in longmont…


4/22/2009 2:45:55 PM

har har !a pro-pot party !!

Is that like, every time these three hang out together in the geo ??Or was it more like a miller-lite party at the dragon masters ?

buried in the article: ‘alcohol…was a factor’

these sad sacks are done for….


4/22/2009 3:09:05 PM

At least they look “mellow” enough not to have given the cops a hard time.


4/22/2009 3:16:41 PM

But why didn’t the marijuana make them love everyone?

Maybe that only works in Boulder; “25 square miles surrounded by reality” puts it very well.


4/22/2009 3:27:43 PM

‘ Face the facts, marijuana DID casue this misery ‘

Oh really ?Never go past the headline didnt ya…

” Detectives believe alcohol and marijuana were being used at the party, and were factors leading to the fight. “

So, which was it ?



4/22/2009 3:59:32 PM

Who really, really thinks these three stooges smoked a joint and then hunted out that guy in a park and stabbed him as a result of smoking .. ?Reefer madness is a movie for you !!

How much alcohol did they consume ?Ah, the paper has a better story if they ignore that important fact.


4/22/2009 4:08:13 PM

Hittin’ on the hostess at a 4:20 party?

That’s a stabbin’!


4/22/2009 4:25:41 PM

That Harris dude looks Psycho.


4/22/2009 4:27:25 PM

Can a judge sentence a person to a haircut?


4/22/2009 4:37:43 PM

I have a feeling that high alcohol consumption and the mental state of the two girls contributed more to the aggressive behavior. I hardly think pot was the culprit in this incident.

Go ahead and counter me with all your negativity you want, it is not so much logic, it is just common sense and street smart. Logic is not always right nor is it the best route all the time.


4/22/2009 4:50:55 PM

Let’s see here, he hits on the party lady,she gets ticked off and then these two girls beat and stabbed him to death. Yep it’s true, the tender trap brings us into, and takes us out of this world. Practice safe sex. Sit in the corner with a box of candy, and wait until you are asked!Women, go figure. Also if you are smoking pot on a regular basis, have some of your friends try and beat hell out of you from time to time. You need to be certain that excessive marijuana use isn’t turning you into such a sissy that a couple of half wasted girls can kick your butt let alone kill you.


4/22/2009 4:53:34 PM

Wittmer was known as the “Dragon Master.” That’s hot. 😉


4/22/2009 4:57:52 PM

Yeah, well pretty soon he’s going to be a Trouser Snake Biatch.


4/22/2009 5:02:39 PM

OLD Dragon boy looks like first runner up in a Ward Churchill look alike contest. I wonder if he and the Marlyn Manson chick are an item.If so abortions all around. We don’t want to encourage or otherwise foster that kind of ugly.


4/22/2009 5:05:13 PM

DC: What is relevant about the victim being a drop-out?

It’s bad enough the guy was murdered, isn’t it?


4/22/2009 5:06:24 PM

I guess it’s no surprise the amount of violent crime in Boulder, what with all the potheads…


4/22/2009 5:16:37 PM

A 35 year-old who calls himself Dragon Master?Yep, it’s Longmont.


4/22/2009 5:47:55 PM

dsmboost on April 23 @ 11:52 p.m. —

Now this individual is possibly a meth addict, having been up for about a week already when this post was made.

Old Doc, to reiterate, sees no indication of any kind that the suspects in this case are methamphetamine abusers.


4/24/2009 10:52:24 AM

Good old Methmont.


4/22/2009 5:59:28 PM

Lakesha worked at the Red Robin in Boulder for a while about a year or so ago…sounds like shes only gotten crazier…she was a loon then but was full of so much BS no one ever believed her ghetto side…Well hopefully she gets what shes always wanted….a permanent roof over her head, some place that she can call home…too bad we have to pay for her taking someones life

4/22/2009 6:09:17 PM

…my thoughts are with the family

4/22/2009 6:09:45 PM

Who in the world would admit to being aka ‘Dragon Master’?


4/22/2009 6:41:21 PM

A happy ending to a 420 party!!


4/22/2009 8:28:58 PM

If only I had 500k, (sigh) the budding love that could flourish.


4/22/2009 8:30:43 PM

Posted by Pooks on April 22, 2009 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That Harris dude looks Psycho.

I know I took you to task elsewhere but… that’s Gold!


4/22/2009 9:58:40 PM

It may be rare, but there are individuals that are hypersensitive to any drug, reefer included.Just because your personal marijuana experience leads you to think there is no way someone could become violent after only using weed, doesn’t mean someone else’s chemical reaction would be the same.


4/22/2009 10:39:54 PM

Dragon Master hangs out with a bunch of teenagers?Weird.Tragic for the victim, no matter the circumstances.Lesson for young’uns:Drugs are bad, m’kay?


4/22/2009 11:10:52 PM

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